No talk about the Round2 1971 Dodge Demon ?

[gtx6970]

Seen it on a facebook page Im a member of 

 

Havent seen a thing about it here 

 

 

[Khils]

I've seen only a few instances like this....think it's referred to as:

          "mic-drop"

......???

[bobthehobbyguy]

Here is a discussion about it.

 

Edited April 25, 2023 by bobthehobbyguy

[BobbyG]

While it's great to finally see the Demon back but why don't Round 2 use the chassis and engine tooling from 71 Duster kit instead of the MPC guts!

[wrenchr]

I'm excited about the Demon, will buy a few.  

[1972coronet]

4 hours ago, BobbyG said:

While it's great to finally see the Demon back but why don't Round 2 use the chassis and engine tooling from 71 Duster kit instead of the MPC guts!

That was their original plan, some 10 years ago (!!). I remember that the 1971 Demon was announced and that orders* were received , but it was cancelled due to production issues. Related to that was the reissue of the 1975 Dart Sport 360, which was slated as a One Last Run of Fun , fait accompli. 

Like I've stated one more than one occasion, I just hope that the front wheelbase is corrected ! It's off side-to-side, and has been since at least 1973. Believe me, I'm no fan of certain aspects of the MPC Duster/Demon/Dart Sport kits (for an instance: console for an automatic, but a manual trans), but they're better than nothing. The AMT 1971 Duster 340's guts are easy to bash with the MPC bones.

*I despise the embellishment "Pre-Order". Something is either ordered or it's not - there is no grey area. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by 1972coronet

[Rodent]

1 hour ago, 1972coronet said:

I despise the embellishment "Pre-Order". Something is either ordered or it's not - there is no grey area. 

Ever hear George Carlin talking about "pre-boarding"?

[bobthehobbyguy]

I think the decision to keep the mpc parts was due to budgetary constraints. Most people will be happy with the kit for those who want more de t ail they can ucombine the parts from the duster. It's nice to get a kit that had been commanding eyewatering prices.

[Can-Con]

I for one am happy with the original design of the kit over the newer style 100 peice chassis that will never be seen on my model. I already built one of the full detail Dusters and didn't really have any fun building it ,,  but that's just me. I understand that there are many model builder who crave the full building experience.

When I crave the "full building experience" , I go out and tinker with the full size one in the garage. 

[1972coronet]

1 hour ago, Rodent said:

Ever hear George Carlin talking about "pre-boarding"?

Oh, yes ! Haha ! Bolstered my assertion. 

[BobbyG]

On 4/26/2023 at 4:59 PM, 1972coronet said:

That was their original plan, some 10 years ago (!!). I remember that the 1971 Demon was announced and that orders* were received , but it was cancelled due to production issues. Related to that was the reissue of the 1975 Dart Sport 360, which was slated as a One Last Run of Fun , fait accompli. 

Like I've stated one more than one occasion, I just hope that the front wheelbase is corrected ! It's off side-to-side, and has been since at least 1973. Believe me, I'm no fan of certain aspects of the MPC Duster/Demon/Dart Sport kits (for an instance: console for an automatic, but a manual trans), but they're better than nothing. The AMT 1971 Duster 340's guts are easy to bash with the MPC bones.

*I despise the embellishment "Pre-Order". Something is either ordered or it's not - there is no grey area. 

Of course the 71 Duster is an easy kitbash but that means buying another kit and trashing the body, etc. I guess that is what Round 2 is counting on, buying more kits in order to correct their inaccuracies.

[Luc Janssens]

13 minutes ago, BobbyG said:

Of course the 71 Duster is an easy kitbash but that means buying another kit and trashing the body, etc. I guess that is what Round 2 is counting on, buying more kits in order to correct their inaccuracies.

Dunno, so many kits on the secondary market, which can be used for parts, and again IMHO this is only the beginning, Round2 as they go along will improve on this, just have patience, Rome wasn't built in one day.

[bobthehobbyguy]

The question round 2 has to ask is will spending the money to implement a more detailed kit increase the kits sales to offset the substantial increased cost. It's just v that simple.

[Mark]

Round 2 never actually announced a Demon kit prior to now.  Someone spread their wish list around, and a couple of eBay sellers took pre-orders based on that.

 

 

[1972coronet]

10 minutes ago, Mark said:

Round 2 never actually announced a Demon kit prior to now.  Someone spread their wish list around, and a couple of eBay sellers took pre-orders based on that.

 

 

Your memory's better 'an mine. I certainly remember those overzealous eBay listings ; and, now that I think of it, I never witnessed an official announcement from Round2.

[wrenchr]

On 4/26/2023 at 7:54 PM, Can-Con said:

I for one am happy with the original design of the kit over the newer style 100 peice chassis that will never be seen on my model. I already built one of the full detail Dusters and didn't really have any fun building it ,,  but that's just me. I understand that there are many model builder who crave the full building experience.

When I crave the "full building experience" , I go out and tinker with the full size one in the garage. 

I was not a fan of those kits. Agree 100% plus for a display model detail painting works wonders.   

[wrenchr]

55 minutes ago, bobthehobbyguy said:

The question round 2 has to ask is will spending the money to implement a more detailed kit increase the kits sales to offset the substantial increased cost. It's just v that simple.

Yup all/most businesses work on a ROI approach, money spent versus money returned and beyond that investment amount. If the numbers don't add up they do not add up. Either side of the coin.  

 

[Mopeyguy]

3 hours ago, Mark said:

Round 2 never actually announced a Demon kit prior to now.  Someone spread their wish list around, and a couple of eBay sellers took pre-orders based on that.

 

 

The Demon was listed on the round 2 website as "coming soon" a few years back, then it suddenly got pulled off.

[1930fordpickup]

4 hours ago, Mopeyguy said:

The Demon was listed on the round 2 website as "coming soon" a few years back, then it suddenly got pulled off.

My guess is that they got a good look at the molds and found out the cost to repair would be too much. 

[Mark]

The Demon was never on the Round 2 website, or any print listing from them. It was the USA-1 Vega kit that was shown on the website as "coming soon" for a couple of years early on.  Then it disappeared and returned several years later.

 

 

 

 

 

[niteowl7710]

17 hours ago, BobbyG said:

Of course the 71 Duster is an easy kitbash but that means buying another kit and trashing the body, etc. I guess that is what Round 2 is counting on, buying more kits in order to correct their inaccuracies.

Yeah exactly, otherwise it's Round2 trashing half a kit into the recycling bin to provide the Duster chassis and drivetrain into a remastered Demon body and interior. Presuming those two things would even fit together without a bunch of tweaking and/or making the customer trim things themselves ala the 70 Super Bee and it's old body/interior - new chassis kit.

[Mopeyguy]

2 hours ago, Mark said:

The Demon was never on the Round 2 website, or any print listing from them. It was the USA-1 Vega kit that was shown on the website as "coming soon" for a couple of years early on.  Then it disappeared and returned several years later.

 

 

 

 

 

yes sir it was listed on their site, somewhere around i even have a picture of that, as i could not believe it at the time...

Edited April 29, 2023 by Mopeyguy
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[Mr mopar]

I'll be buying  a few of these kits !

[espo]

Like seeing the effort that Round 2 is putting into these kits instead of a straight release of the old kits. Their new Dodge Charger is on a level with a Moebus kit. 

[BobbyG]

3 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

Yeah exactly, otherwise it's Round2 trashing half a kit into the recycling bin to provide the Duster chassis and drivetrain into a remastered Demon body and interior. Presuming those two things would even fit together without a bunch of tweaking and/or making the customer trim things themselves ala the 70 Super Bee and it's old body/interior - new chassis kit.

I have used the Duster kit on my 69 Cuda with little bit of triming on the chassis and easy fit on the engine compartment. So I am certain the Demon will be an easy mod. My point though is why Round 2 can't use the  Duster chassis, engine and compartment tooling for the Demon. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by BobbyG