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[Motor City]

Regarding the Lincoln, a 4-door hardtop kit was available in '61, and it appears that only 4 of the real car were produced.  I'm not sure about the non-convertible kits for '62-'64, but the '66 to '69 promo and kit was only a 4-door sedan.  It would be nice to see a '66-'69 2-door hardtop from whatever tooling exists, as well as a '66 or '67 convertible. 

[Rob Hall]

Regarding the Lincoln, a 4-door hardtop kit was available in '61, and it appears that only 4 of the real car were produced.  I'm not sure about the non-convertible kits for '62-'64, but the '66 to '69 promo and kit was only a 4-door sedan.  It would be nice to see a '66-'69 2-door hardtop from whatever tooling exists, as well as a '66 or '67 convertible. 

'62-65 Lincoln 4dr sedans were kitted along with the convertibles. 

[Luc Janssens]

I'd like that too Luc! But I ain't holdin' my breath for them to ever fix that! I built one many years ago and did the fix on the front and the rear.....I sure wish I could show what I did, but the model got lost in a move------looks to be forever lost.

Interestingly, AMT did correct it somewhat on the Cyclone kit------at least it doesn't look so offensive, but my eyes might be playing tricks on me.

Going from memory here, IIRC it's as simple like taking some evergreen strip, gluing it above the current weatherstrip and then removing everything below, thus enlarging the opening, the only thing that remains somewhat of a problem, is the glass itself, cuz while it still fits, the upper area gives optical distortions.

On one of my talks with a Amt top Kat, back in the day, the molding facility was to blame for that,  it had something to do with not having window trim on the tooling model, because the tooling company engraved it while machining the molds...again going from memory here.

[djflyer]

Some Ford GT pics.  Nice detail for a snapper.

Note...this is a prototype of sorts, the Heritage color scheme might not match what comes in the box, and I believe the production kits will include the black pinstriping separating the colors on the 1:1    

I definitely will have to get one (or three) of those.  It will be interesting to see how it compares to the Jada plastic kit. (yes, they really did one).

 

[gtx6970]

 

Its this weekend, Saturday , 830AM to 130pm, the location is here

2532 West Peoria Avenue, Phoenix, AZ, 85029, located in halls A&B

 

http://www.fourpointsphoenixnorth.com/

Admission is $3 per adult

Swap meet in Phoenix????? Wish I knew of this sooner than the day before . I'll be in Phoenix tomorrow morning. ,,,about 8 am

 

dang it, I have my doubts wife will  let me get away with that though.

We pick up the rental car about 8 am and supposed to head to Tucson for a few days to visit family.

 

WIll be back in Glendale Monday nite till thursday nite ( wife has a seminar there for work . And I get to tag along,,,well,,,,just because I can hehe)

[MrObsessive]

Going from memory here, IIRC it's as simple like taking some evergreen strip, gluing it above the current weatherstrip and then removing everything below, thus enlarging the opening, the only thing that remains somewhat of a problem, is the glass itself, cuz while it still fits, the upper area gives optical distortions.

On one of my talks with a Amt top Kat, back in the day, the molding facility was to blame for that,  it had something to do with not having window trim on the tooling model, because the tooling company engraved it while machining the molds...again going from memory here.

I think mine was a little more involved than that Luc. IIRC, I "carved" in the chrome trim as I wanted it to match the other existing trim as it had a somewhat rounded appearance. Yeah, that's about the right width for the trim as far as getting the rear window enlarged. As far as the glass, of course-----I used clear stencil sheet because of the optical distortion that you mentioned.

It'll be nice to see this kit back on the shelves as it builds up very nicely! The only nit I can remember having with it is building it straight out of the box, the front end sits up a bit too high. That's very easily tweaked to get the right stance, and sans the window trim goof, AMT got the body lines pretty much dead on accurate.

That is interesting about why that roof turned out the way it did if true. I tend to believe that's what happened.............I'll be VERY pleasantly surprised if they do fix that (kinda what they did with the new reissued '68 El Camino's roof)-------some cool retro like box art would be all the better!

[martinfan5]

Thanks!

Just down the road from my house.

Russ

Its the same swap meet that use to be at the Postal Hall.

[djflyer]

Where is this image from that I can order one?

[Xingu]

Where is this image from that I can order one?

I believe this is the flyer sent out to the wholesalers/retailers. I don't think it is actually out yet (but soon will be).

[martinfan5]

Swap meet in Phoenix????? Wish I knew of this sooner than the day before . I'll be in Phoenix tomorrow morning. ,,,about 8 am

 

dang it, I have my doubts wife will  let me get away with that though.

We pick up the rental car about 8 am and supposed to head to Tucson for a few days to visit family.

 

WIll be back in Glendale Monday nite till thursday nite ( wife has a seminar there for work . And I get to tag along,,,well,,,,just because I can hehe)

You will have to back track to make it to the swap meet, so its not like you can say to the wife, its on the way to Tucson, now maybe if you were staying in Flagstaff

[Motor City]

'62-65 Lincoln 4dr sedans were kitted along with the convertibles. 

Thanks for verifying what I suspected, Rob.  I thought the 4-door hardtop was only available in '61.  I thought the sedan was an odd choice after Lincoln introduced the 2-door hardtop for 1966.  I thought the convertible promo and kit should have been continued, too, but I guess the models didn't sell too well.   

[Can-Con]

And here's my example, in progress:

 

Quick [stupid maybe] question ,, why the roof swap?  On the real cars, they were the same from the roofline down, wern't they?  Was your sedan body damaged?

I recently acquired a '62 sedan but it was built custom. I need a stock front bumper/grille, rear bumper/taillights and the rear grille before I redo it.

[ChrisBcritter]

Quick [stupid maybe] question ,, why the roof swap?  On the real cars, they were the same from the roofline down, wern't they?  Was your sedan body damaged?

I recently acquired a '62 sedan but it was built custom. I need a stock front bumper/grille, rear bumper/taillights and the rear grille before I redo it.

I wanted to build a '65 sedan, but only the convertible is available. The '64 and '65 roofs are the same, and I happened to have two '64 sedan gluebombs I was combining to make one good car. A usable roof and glass were left over from the lesser of the two bodies so I added it to the '65 convertible by cutting it on the trunk line at the rear, and in the "gutter" between the fender tops and windows along the sides. Thanks to AMT's engineering it all lined up well!

On your '62, keep your eyes on eBay - '62 parts seem to show up more often than any other year, for some reason.

 

Edited October 23, 2017 by ChrisBcritter

[Bob Ellis]

Am I the only one who noticed another price increase? $31.95 for a rerelease kit I have in my stash that I paid $2.00 for 45 years ago!  I'll pass on all.

They were $8 in the late 80s with ERTL

[Snake45]

They were $8 in the late 80s with ERTL

As late as the early 2000s I was getting some of them for under $6 at Walmart.

[Casey]

The original Polyglas Gasser was the annual Bonneville. It seems like they will do the same as the Derby El Camino, put an Ertl '62 Pontiac Catalina in a reproduction Polygas Gasser box.

That's fine with me, as it's one of the best kits of that era from AMT IMHO, and my go-to kit when I need a nicely detailed, modern-era Pontiac V-8. Considering Round2 has two sizes of Goodyear Polyglas GT tires to choose from, this homage reissue seems like a no-brainer for them.

[Richard Bartrop]

That Edsel came out in the 90s so nobody paid $2 retail for that when it came out.  Even so,  it's going to be about 3-4 times what it cost me the first time when it hits the shelves up here.  I'm pretty sure we haven't had 300% inflation since then.

It is one of AMT's best kits, with about the same level of detail as the Moebius Chrysler 300s, and about the same price, so I am tempted to get one to replace the one that got lost in a move.

What will probably be close to $50 for the Continental, which has maybe 5 parts?  Not happening.

[Jon Cole]

So they want to run the $30.+ flag up the pole now? For old tooling kits, that have been paid for long ago?
Nope.
I cannot do that anymore. I have enough kits, and there is no way on earth they can convince me they can justify $30.+ for these.
I just cannot afford that. They really should reconsider that pricing. JMHO.

[randyc]

Amen to that.  Back in 2000 ish, the gold box top kits at Walmart were $4.99.  I owned an LHS at the time and had to compete with that.  BUT, AMT would let me buy direct, so I could price it properly and price match if someone asked.  I can not hardly justify kit prices anymore.   I did pay $20 for a new 76 Torino last week.  And have paid $20 probably for my last handful of kits.  But a reissue would have to be pretty spectacular for me to justify it anymore, especially when I still have LOTS of kits to still build and have built most all of them already when tehy were eiter new or earlier reissues.  If you can justify and afford,that's cool.  But I have more things I need.  Plus display space.  I have 300 cars in cases in boxes in my building that I have nowhere to display.   Eventually will get them on ebay to sell.  Or I'lll die first and family have to sort through it all.   I havae a LOT of "toy cars".   Have moved on to $6 1/64s.  Nice enough to display a LOT in same space as a 1/24 or 1/18 and often come with a case of their own.  

 

[niteowl7710]

I'm gonna guess in the case of the Edsel at least - that tooling was probably a loss.  I mean it had the three variants, all of which came out within a year of one another back in the late 90s, and then it hasn't ever been reissued since then.  I highly doubt they sold enough of those to pay off the tooling costs.

You guys have to remember when Round2 or Revell is doing straight reissues of kits they're not for the .5 of 1% of the people who haunt this forum, it's for the rest of the people who buy whatever kits are on the LHS or Hobby Lobby shelves.  In the case of the Edsel in particular it hasn't been on those shelves in 18 years.  There's a good chance there's an entire large swath of modelers who may not even know it exists, as again your casual retail modeler isn't camping out on eBay or going to model shows either.  The Lincoln hasn't been reissued since 2006 (a reissue I didn't even know happened myself), and the Fairlane was last out in 2003.  That's 12 and 15 years respectively (since these are 1Q 2018 kits we're talking about) for those since they've been on a retail shelf as well.  When the heck was the last time the Jeep Commando was out? Has it been since the 1980s?

Believe me I'd like to see stuff that would strike me as "more interesting" as well, as I have an original Fairlane and Edsel, but I'm not the customer that Round2 is going after either.

[Casey]

On 10/25/2017 at 9:43 AM, niteowl7710 said:

When the heck was the last time the Jeep Commando was out? Has it been since the 1980s?

No, not that long, but it was last reissued as one of those limited runs by Stevens International in 2006.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Casey

[Luc Janssens]

No, not that long, but it was last reissued as one of those limited runs by Stevens International in 2006. ('80s issue shown below)

 

Is this a continuation of the original Jeepster tool?

Saw this kit at a store, 5 or so years ago, factory sealed and sun bleached, and the things that popped up in my mind were:

- Tire burns on glass

- Flash on every part

- Bad chrome

Sticker price was around 30 Euro's (35.42 in Mickey Mouse money)

So I passed....

 

Edited October 25, 2017 by Luc Janssens

[Jon Cole]

I'm gonna guess in the case of the Edsel at least - that tooling was probably a loss.  I mean it had the three variants, all of which came out within a year of one another back in the late 90s, and then it hasn't ever been reissued since then.  I highly doubt they sold enough of those to pay off the tooling costs.

You guys have to remember when Round2 or Revell is doing straight reissues of kits they're not for the .5 of 1% of the people who haunt this forum, it's for the rest of the people who buy whatever kits are on the LHS or Hobby Lobby shelves.  In the case of the Edsel in particular it hasn't been on those shelves in 18 years.  There's a good chance there's an entire large swath of modelers who may not even know it exists, as again your casual retail modeler isn't camping out on eBay or going to model shows either.  The Lincoln hasn't been reissued since 2006 (a reissue I didn't even know happened myself), and the Fairlane was last out in 2003.  That's 12 and 15 years respectively (since these are 1Q 2018 kits we're talking about) for those since they've been on a retail shelf as well.  When the heck was the last time the Jeep Commando was out? Has it been since the 1980s?

Believe me I'd like to see stuff that would strike me as "more interesting" as well, as I have an original Fairlane and Edsel, but I'm not the customer that Round2 is going after either.

James, I hear ya. But that actually bolsters my comment- the casual hobbyist, walks in to a hobby shop. Sees AMT kits for $31.95, and... that's not exactly a selling point to bring in that casual hobbyist.
Plus, he just may be wise enough to turn that box over, and see that parts layout. Possible.... just may recognize it's the same kit he had way back when. 
That may sell the kit. Or, that may make him put it back.
Like anything in life, for many of us, price wins. 
In my life, I have put stuff back on the shelf due to price. And I don't mean just in hobby shops.
At what point does it all become too much?
Me, I have enough stash. I will never get to build them all.
I hope you guys can buy them. Hate to see them fail.
Of course, we're not getting any younger here, either.

[Rob Hall]

Tower Hobbies has the Edsel listed for $29.99 as a Jan release..I wonder if they will do it as a 2n1 with the stock + custom version parts.  IIRC, the custom version only differed in the addition of fender skirts and a continental kit.  I have one of the stock ones from the original issue, never built it. 

[Luc Janssens]

Are Round-2 kits bought by retiring babyboomers, for nostalgia reasons, to relive (part) of their childhood?

Just wondering...