Chip Foose kits.....

[Daddyfink]

On 8/7/2021 at 7:22 AM, Mark said:

It's a matter of personal opinion and taste.  I'm not familiar with the shop you mentioned, but I'd let Foose rework my car over most of the other "flames and skulls" guys out there.

Did someone say "Flames and Skulls"?

[BlackSheep214]

2 minutes ago, Mark said:

I've got a name for it, sort of rhymes with "Gas Monkey"...

That's the show! LOL!

[Oldcarfan27]

Nobody has brought up the late Richard Zocchi.

[Oldcarfan27]

Or John D'agostino

Both of these artists consistently customized cars tastefully. With an eye for timeless design.

Edited August 9, 2021 by Oldcarfan27

[Mark]

Zocchi never built a car or even had a shop that I'm aware of, but he did have one or two cars done a year, going back to the early Sixties.  He could be considered a patron of the customizing art.

[JollySipper]

5 hours ago, Impalow said:

I actually got to meet Mr. Dore and share photos of this build with him a few years back at SEMA.

It's an excellent build that deserves recognition.....

[blunc]

I enjoy most of the shows mentioned, however, it sounds like Foose is being hated on based on what is seen on Overhaulin, and sounds like you haven't really taken a good look at his other work (and that's okay...  you can hate on anyone you like). However...the thread is about "Foose kits", I was most disappointed that the Impala kit did not replicate the award winning "Imposter" build.

Consider that Foose is a Ridler award winner for good reasons, one of the reasons is that he has the respect of other builders.

Iron Resurrection and the Martin shop do great work and have talented builders, that just makes them different from other media show builders (not necessarily better than all the rest), and there are a whole host of other car craftsmen that I didn't see mentioned here.

As has already been said, it's a matter of taste...beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Edited August 15, 2021 by blunc
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[niteowl7710]

Well unless someone else wants to take what might have ultimately been an unsuccessfully flyer at it the way Chip did - paying into the kit development to take a large share of profits out the back end - none of this other stuff is a viable enough product to be developed.  Chip was also left holding a mighty big bag of unpaid licensing fees when Hobbico flushed themselves to oblivion, and don't think other people didn't see that happen.  It's the entire reason Tom Daniel won't speak to them, he's still under the impression the "new" Revell owes him the Hobbico money he never got.

Kits have to be 3-5 variants deep from the jump or they just don't make sense from a risk standpoint, and one off TV show custom cars - unless the Martin Brothers want to pay the freight up front - are a great way to bankrupt a model company in 90 days or less.

[Claude Thibodeau]

HI!

Having been in the TV biz for a good part of my life, you have to consider that TV land is a universe of its own. Therefore, what succeds on the tube must match the expectations of the producer, who risks his own money, and allows his reading of the "audience expectations" to rule the show. 

We modelers tend to be perfectionnists, paying great attention to details. But TV producers somehow don't feel that this is what hooks viewers. Hence, drama and strange plots and behavior on many of those shows. 

Let's reflect on the notion of notoriety and competence. Remember the TV shows about choppers? Arlen Ness was on top of the heap, but you never saw a weekly show about the adventures in his shop. Orange County Choppers? What a TV and licencing succe$$. But you get my point. Arlen was an industry icon, OCC a TV phenomenon. Talented guys, of course. But they "played the game", and reaped the rewards for a while. 

And to say they call it "reality shows". Funny. 

CT 

[Can-Con]

On 8/15/2021 at 2:38 AM, blunc said:

I was most disappointed that the Impala kit did not replicate the award winning "Imposter" build.

It wasn't meant to. Like the other cars in that series, it was loosely based on a car that was done on the TV show.

Basically a stock looking Impala with a set of big wheels. 

Also, IIRC,the kit came out the year before the Imposter debuted.

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Edited August 16, 2021 by Can-Con

[Mark]

Revell did tool up two entirely new kits based on Foose builds...when was the last time anyone did that?

[slusher]

I do like Chip Foose and his work. I would love too own one of his cars…

[bobthehobbyguy]

17 hours ago, Claude Thibodeau said:

HI!

Having been in the TV biz for a good part of my life, you have to consider that TV land is a universe of its own. Therefore, what succeds on the tube must match the expectations of the producer, who risks his own money, and allows his reading of the "audience expectations" to rule the show. 

We modelers tend to be perfectionnists, paying great attention to details. But TV producers somehow don't feel that this is what hooks viewers. Hence, drama and strange plots and behavior on many of those shows. 

Let's reflect on the notion of notoriety and competence. Remember the TV shows about choppers? Arlen Ness was on top of the heap, but you never saw a weekly show about the adventures in his shop. Orange County Choppers? What a TV and licencing succe$$. But you get my point. Arlen was an industry icon, OCC a TV phenomenon. Talented guys, of course. But they "played the game", and reaped the rewards for a while. 

And to say they call it "reality shows". Funny. 

CT 

The goal for the reality shows is to get the widest audience. On its own good design and execution is not enough because its not that interesting to most average viewers. Rather think soap opera which draws a larger audience. A truly sad fact. And unfortunately the go to formula for the reality shows.

I like chips work and would love to have a car built by him. Another builder would be Steve Moal whose cars are also very nice.

[Tom Geiger]

14 hours ago, Mark said:

Revell did tool up two entirely new kits based on Foose builds...when was the last time anyone did that?

Bingo!  If my foggy memory serves me, there was a poll to select the two from a list of Chip's cars.

And don't forget the board whining when these kits were announced...  guys saying Revell was wasting their money on kits for kids (and in another thread complaining Revell wasn't doing anything to attract kids)  and that the money could've gone to tooling up some obscure old car only they would be interested in..

In the end?  The Ford pickup and Caddy turned out to be darn  decent kits!  They are nicely done and go together very well!  And our herd responded with building a ton of varieties and their own custom spins off of these.   And the parts etc are a great source for other builds.  I know I built the pickup as a patina rod, then went back and used the chassis / drivetrain under a Datsun pickup just for fun.   I have another 3-4 of these tucked away for the future!

[deuces wild]

18 hours ago, Claude Thibodeau said:

HI!

Having been in the TV biz for a good part of my life, you have to consider that TV land is a universe of its own. Therefore, what succeds on the tube must match the expectations of the producer, who risks his own money, and allows his reading of the "audience expectations" to rule the show. 

We modelers tend to be perfectionnists, paying great attention to details. But TV producers somehow don't feel that this is what hooks viewers. Hence, drama and strange plots and behavior on many of those shows. 

Let's reflect on the notion of notoriety and competence. Remember the TV shows about choppers? Arlen Ness was on top of the heap, but you never saw a weekly show about the adventures in his shop. Orange County Choppers? What a TV and licencing succe$$. But you get my point. Arlen was an industry icon, OCC a TV phenomenon. Talented guys, of course. But they "played the game", and reaped the rewards for a while. 

And to say they call it "reality shows". Funny. 

CT 

Reality is what drives me "away" from television.....???

[slusher]

3 hours ago, Tom Geiger said:

Bingo!  If my foggy memory serves me, there was a poll to select the two from a list of Chip's cars.

And don't forget the board whining when these kits were announced...  guys saying Revell was wasting their money on kits for kids (and in another thread complaining Revell wasn't doing anything to attract kids)  and that the money could've gone to tooling up some obscure old car only they would be interested in..

In the end?  The Ford pickup and Caddy turned out to be darn  decent kits!  They are nicely done and go together very well!  And our herd responded with building a ton of varieties and their own custom spins off of these.   And the parts etc are a great source for other builds.  I know I built the pickup as a patina rod, then went back and used the chassis / drivetrain under a Datsun pickup just for fun.   I have another 3-4 of these tucked away for the future!

Wasn’t Stacey David’s Rat Roadster a new tooled kit?  I don’t think the new Revell will be anything like the old one.

[OldNYJim]

32 minutes ago, slusher said:

Wasn’t Stacey David’s Rat Roadster a new tooled kit?  I don’t think the new Revell will be anything like the old one.

I wonder what happened to THAT tooling?  Seemed like a lot of effort to go to, to release it once (in seemingly limited numbers, based on how hard they are to find compared to the other Deuce kits) and then hide it away for almost a decade...

[Mark]

Revell has in the past issued a number of one-and-done kits...the Rick Dobbertin J-2000, Don Garlits' Swamp Rat 30, Roth's Beatnik Bandit II to name three.  Not being reissued would be due to nonexistent sales on the first issue, licensing problems, or the tooling being altered to make something else.

[slusher]

6 minutes ago, Mark said:

Revell has in the past issued a number of one-and-done kits...the Rick Dobbertin J-2000, Don Garlits' Swamp Rat 30, Roth's Beatnik Bandit II to name three.  Not being reissued would be due to nonexistent sales on the first issue, licensing problems, or the tooling being altered to make something else.

That makes sense and I remember the J-2000 and always wondered why I never saw it again.  

[Claude Thibodeau]

45 minutes ago, slusher said:

That makes sense and I remember the J-2000 and always wondered why I never saw it again.  

Hi!

To Carl's point: the chassis/powertrain of the J2000 lives in the Beretta ProStreet, and also in one Corvette whose kit's name escapes me right now. I guess the main obstacle to a Dobertain reissue was some form of royalties, impossible to escape with the J2000 bodywork. ..

CT 

[Tom Geiger]

2 hours ago, slusher said:

Wasn’t Stacey David’s Rat Roadster a new tooled kit?  I don’t think the new Revell will be anything like the old one.

It was part of their 32 Ford set.  

[Joe Handley]

21 hours ago, Mark said:

Revell did tool up two entirely new kits based on Foose builds...when was the last time anyone did that?

Probably back in the 80's with the Pro Street cars Revell brought to market.

[Mr. Metallic]

16 hours ago, Tom Geiger said:

It was part of their 32 Ford set.  

Even though it shares design and proportion attributes with the long running Revell 32 Ford series, I'm 99% sure it was confirmed by Ed Sexton to be all new tooling.

@tim boyd?

[Casey]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Metallic said:

Even though it shares design and proportion attributes with the long running Revell 32 Ford series, I'm 99% sure it was confirmed by Ed Sexton to be all new tooling.

It was all-new. Brett Barrow(?) did a fairly detailed comparison of the frames, and while very similar, they are not "the same". Basically, same design/pattern work, but not identical to the earlier Deuce series.

 

[tim boyd]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Metallic said:

Even though it shares design and proportion attributes with the long running Revell 32 Ford series, I'm 99% sure it was confirmed by Ed Sexton to be all new tooling.

@tim boyd?

That was my understanding as well....TIM