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On 10/26/2022 at 1:54 PM, Earl Marischal said:

...Blimey it’s fast and sticks to the road like the proverbial to a blanket...I have wanted a 7 since I was 10 years old...

I was fortunate enough to have one for a while, and the absolute stupidest thing I ever did was to sell it

I still dream about the thing some nights. Honest.

But hark...the Lowcost 7 can still make our dreams come true...I have the build book, and it's quite good.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/lotus-seven-vs-the-locost-seven/

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On 11/2/2022 at 2:10 PM, Earl Marischal said:

Now that is a very fine automobile. To me, the early Barracudas are the nicest looking.

I had a 1965 Barracuda for a long time. Way back when they got little respect.. I remember taking mine to the show at Englishtown Raceway Park in the mid 1980s and was told to get that Valiant outta there!  
 

I garaged it until late 1990s and was surprised at how many people enjoyed it!  Times change

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On 11/4/2022 at 4:27 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

I was fortunate enough to have one for a while, and the absolute stupidest thing I ever did was to sell it

I still dream about the thing some nights. Honest.

But hark...the Lowcost 7 can still make our dreams come true...I have the build book, and it's quite good.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/lotus-seven-vs-the-locost-seven/

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I’ve driven two different variations of these - both times at the NY auto show in their demo area where they have some actual hands on activities.  

First time was an autocross type deal around a little course (although the one I drove had a throttle stop that brought it down to kiddy-ride speeds), and second time I dropped $100 for the chance to learn to prescision-donut one around a cone with an instructor.  MUCH more satisfying, and well worth the money. 

I’m a Miata fan and I’d always thought they were the best handling car I ever drove, but MAN these 7s are fun, and they made my Miata feel like a box-truck by comparison!  I’d love to run one on a track and actually get to throw one around properly.  

I too picked up this book, suitably inspired - I wasn’t familiar with some of the vehicle parts referenced (obviously, what with it being an English book) and I seem to remember they recommend just finding a flat garage floor or a sheet of wood or something as a ‘jig’ for the frame which seemed a little TOO low budget maybe, but I’d still love to build one.  I’m sure there’s a decent RWD ‘Merican car that a lot of the running gear could be sourced from for a novice 1:1 builder like myself

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30 minutes ago, CabDriver said:

... I’m sure there’s a decent RWD ‘Merican car that a lot of the running gear could be sourced from for a novice 1:1 builder like myself

The biggest problem on this side of the Atlantic is the lack of suitably light solid rear axle assemblies. Unsprung weight becomes a critical factor in roadholding on a less-than-perfect surface when vehicle weight is as low as these cars can be. The shipping weight on my Series II Seven from England was listed as 843 pounds. I could practically pick its butt up to put it on stands.

My rear axle was from a Triumph TR 10, and was most likely considerably lighter than a Pinto or Vega unit. It might be worthwhile to look at Chevette rear ends, though I have no clue about that particular part. Something like an early rear-wheel-drive Corolla could work, too.

My car's front spindles were Triumph Spitfire, if I remember correctly, and those can still be found for not insane money...but Pinto or Chevette units could also probably work well.

EDIT: I just did a Q&D search for light rear axles, and it isn't going to be easy. The junkyards are going away faster than I'd realized.

Ain't "progress" wonderful.

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41 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

The biggest problem on this side of the Atlantic is the lack of suitably light solid rear axle assemblies. Unsprung weight becomes a critical factor in roadholding on a less-than-perfect surface when vehicle weight is as low as these cars can be. The shipping weight on my Series II Seven from England was listed as 843 pounds. I could practically pick its butt up to put it on stands.

My rear axle was from a Triumph TR 10, and was most likely considerably lighter than a Pinto or Vega unit. It might be worthwhile to look at Chevette rear ends, though I have no clue about that particular part. Something like an early rear-wheel-drive Corolla could work, too.

My car's front spindles were Triumph Spitfire, if I remember correctly, and those can still be found for not insane money...but Pinto or Chevette units could also probably work well.

EDIT: I just did a Q&D search for light rear axles, and it isn't going to be easy. The junkyards are going away faster than I'd realized.

Ain't "progress" wonderful.

have you considered a volvo rear axle. the 340 is about escort size and rwd but i dont know how strong those rear axles are. On this side of the pond the rodders use 240 series axles behind v8s up to around 400 hp but then its on to the 9 inch for most. If it works its a fairly cheap strong axle and comes with good disc brakes.

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9 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

The biggest problem on this side of the Atlantic is the lack of suitably light solid rear axle assemblies. Unsprung weight becomes a critical factor in roadholding on a less-than-perfect surface when vehicle weight is as low as these cars can be. The shipping weight on my Series II Seven from England was listed as 843 pounds. I could practically pick its butt up to put it on stands.

My rear axle was from a Triumph TR 10, and was most likely considerably lighter than a Pinto or Vega unit. It might be worthwhile to look at Chevette rear ends, though I have no clue about that particular part. Something like an early rear-wheel-drive Corolla could work, too.

My car's front spindles were Triumph Spitfire, if I remember correctly, and those can still be found for not insane money...but Pinto or Chevette units could also probably work well.

EDIT: I just did a Q&D search for light rear axles, and it isn't going to be easy. The junkyards are going away faster than I'd realized.

Ain't "progress" wonderful.

Post printed and slipped inside the book for future reference 😁  I see MGBs and Triumphs for sale around here semi regularly, ALWAYS with completely rotted out bodies...something like that might be a good parts source perhaps too.

Good advise, thank you Bill!

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2 hours ago, CabDriver said:

Post printed and slipped inside the book for future reference 😁  I see MGBs and Triumphs for sale around here semi regularly, ALWAYS with completely rotted out bodies...something like that might be a good parts source perhaps too.

Good advise, thank you Bill!

Not to beat this into dead horse mode, but I did some digging, and Corolla diffs through '79 look pretty good. They made so many of the things, and they were such tough little cars, I'd think there'd be plenty still running as rustbuckets too. 

Most of the Triumphs we got over here had IRS, so they're not really good donors for rear axles.

But now that I'm thinking about it, I have several VW and Porsche transaxles that could be rear-mounted using a torque tube setup, with Dodge Neon rear suspension geometry (which is actually very good). Hmmmmmm...

Early Miata guts are another possible alternative...

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23 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Not to beat this into dead horse mode, but I did some digging, and Corolla diffs through '79 look pretty good. They made so many of the things, and they were such tough little cars, I'd think there'd be plenty still running as rustbuckets too. 

Most of the Triumphs we got over here had IRS, so they're not really good donors for rear axles.

But now that I'm thinking about it, I have several VW and Porsche transaxles that could be rear-mounted using a torque tube setup, with Dodge Neon rear suspension geometry (which is actually very good). Hmmmmmm...

Early Miata guts are another possible alternative...

And as if by magic, Bill found himself with another project in the queue 😁

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21 hours ago, CabDriver said:

And as if by magic, Bill found himself with another project in the queue 😁

I'd honestly been thinking of building one after I'm moved and have a couple other 1:1 projects back in "drive" mode.

The thinking-out-loud that the Seven references triggered inspired some new ideas (for me anyway...somebody has already done a rear-transaxle Seven clone) that could really get me fired up.

Now I'm thinking Honda B16 up front, and a 914 gearbox in the rear...and Donkervoort-inspired bodywork...

Donkervoort D8 GTO-S - 20 June 2020 - Autogespot

...or maybe scaled-down TR...

Ferrari 250 - Prototipo 0666

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21 hours ago, Tabbysdaddy said:

Probably should have put better tires on the back. That one looks like it exploded. 

Dang! I didn’t even see that. Good catch.  Could be why it was pulled into a gas station. I was trying to order a biscuit at Bojangles and snap a pic at the same time. 

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On 11/4/2022 at 5:27 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

I was fortunate enough to have one for a while, and the absolute stupidest thing I ever did was to sell it

I still dream about the thing some nights. Honest.

But hark...the Lowcost 7 can still make our dreams come true...I have the build book, and it's quite good.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/lotus-seven-vs-the-locost-seven/

7book_120.jpg.d97c704ee99f4712b5ba7247cb60fce2.jpg

 

I saw one of these kit cars on the road yesterday for the first time. The only reason I knew what it was from this thread. -RRR

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